This time around it’s Jorge Milian of the Palm Beach Post talking about the contract negotiation issues between the University of Miami and head coach Randy Shannon.
Milian states that one of UM’s most recent offers remains in the $1.4M range, below the ACC media $1.75M paid the conference’s 12 head coaches. He also points out that Butch Davis reels in $2.15M annually, sitting on a 20-18 record overall, while Shannon remains 21-17 overall, earning much less than his former boss.
Again AD Kirby Hocutt was quoted as stating that Shannon will remain Miami’s leader for a “long, long time”. For the detractors implying that UM is holding off, waiting to see how the 2010 season plays out – not the case. Randy is Miami’s guy. The issue is money – not a ‘wait and see’ approach regarding the relationship and long-term future.
One more time, if Randy is Miami’s guy, pay the man and let’s end this standoff already:
Miami Hurricanes coach Randy Shannon awaits a new contract as punishing 2010 schedule nears
by Jorge Milian, Palm Beach Post
CORAL GABLES — Where does Randy Shannon rank among the best coaches in the Atlantic Coast Conference? That’s open for argument.
What is irrefutable is that Shannon, who took over at the University of Miami in 2007, is the second-lowest paid coach among 12 ACC teams.
Shannon is entering the final season of his four-year contract, and while the coach and university officials insist a deal will get done this off-season — with one UM source saying something could be in place by Thursday, the start of an important recruiting evaluation period — so far nothing has been signed.
Any delay beyond the start of the 2010 season on Sept. 2 could provide a major distraction for a team that has a murderous three-game road trip scheduled — at Ohio State, Pittsburgh and Clemson — after their opener against Florida A&M.
Shannon realizes the pitfalls that could befall his team if he enters the season as a lame duck.
“That’s a tough thing during the season to go through,” Shannon said. “You’re going to get the question every day. If you’re winning, the press is going to ask, ‘Do they really want you?’ And if you’re losing, they’re going to say, ‘Well, the university doesn’t want you.’ It’s a bad deal either way.”
Orlando Alzugaray, the afternoon sports talk host on WQAM (560AM), said that 80 percent of his callers support Shannon receiving an extension. But that could change quickly if Shannon begins the season without an extension and the Hurricanes struggle out of the gate.
“That would put more heat on Randy Shannon than he already has,” Alzugaray said. “The fans are expecting this team to take the next step and if they don’t, the fan base is going to start expressing itself and saying they want to see a change.
“I’m already taking those phone calls. I’ve been taking those phone calls for the last year or two.”
Sources with knowledge of the negotiations say that several proposals have been swapped between Neil Cornrich, Shannon’s agent, and the university. One of the most recent offers called for an annual base salary of around $1.4 million. That remains below the ACC median of $1.75 million paid the conference’s 12 coaches, a figure more in line with what Shannon’s side has put forward.
The length of an extension — UM proposed three years and Shannon would like four — and terms of a buyout have also been obstacles.
But if you think the two sides are bickering more than a room full of Republicans and Democrats, that’s not right, according to Shannon.
“Negotiating is always tough,” said Shannon, whose paycheck surpasses only Boston College’s Frank Spaziani, who just completed his first season with the Eagles, among ACC coaches. “You pull here, you pull there. But like I’ve said all along, it will get done. I have confidence in the university and (UM athletic director Kirby Hocutt). This is just how it is.”
Supporters say that Shannon is deserving of a sizable bump in pay, pointing to UM’s improving record, from 5-7 in 2007, to 7-6 in ’08, and 9-4 last year. Shannon’s backers point to former UM and current North Carolina coach Butch Davis, who is making $2.15 million a season even though he has a 20-18 record in three seasons with the Tar Heels. Shannon is 21-17 overall.
Detractors point to instances of poor game management by Shannon, including a time-out snafu at the end of the first half against Clemson last season that proved critical in the Hurricanes’ 40-37 overtime loss. Others bash Shannon for UM’s poor finishes in each of the past three seasons, including losing bowl games the last two years.
Some believe the lack of an extension has already hurt the Hurricanes in recruiting, hence the rush to get something done by Thursday, the start of a recruiting evaluation period that runs through May 31.
The 2010 recruiting class was easily the lowest ranked by Rivals.com and Scout.com among the four Shannon has overseen since he became coach.
“Their rivals are using everything at their disposal to get a recruiting edge on Miami,” said Rivals.com recruiting analyst Jamie Newberg. “If he’s the guy that’s going to lead the program, they need to get this done yesterday.”
Shannon affirms his contract situation has been used against him by other coaches.
“I was getting murdered last year,” Shannon said. “We filled our needs, but it was a challenge.”
Hocutt, UM’s athletic director, did not respond to messages seeking comment, but said recently that he was “confident that coach Shannon is going to be our leader for a long, long time.”
Agree. Best thing The U could do is make Coach Shannon one of the top 3 paid ACC coaches. I mean what more can a person give to a program. He is a part of the history and legacy of this program at every level. He took a job alot of people would not have and has the program moving in the right direction not only with improving each season but also academically and from a discipline standpoint. It all begins with recruiting and this lack of a solid contract will hurt us. The school raised over a billion dollars from alumni and donors.My bet is most of those donors not only love The U but also love the football team.Lets get this done and move on to a great season. How bout 3 million a year!
How bout 3 million a year!
Love the enthusiasm, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Randy deserves something in the $1.75-2.0M range. Make it incentive heavy, meet in the middle regarding how long the contract should run and get it done.
Fully agree with what you say about academics and discipline, but wins/losses are also a part of it. 9-4 was solid for year three, but the win total needs to improve.
Incentive-based. A ten-win season garners a bonus. ACC title game berth, another bump in pay. Win the ACC, win a BCS game, etc. – all things to beef up the salary.
This is such a sally arrangement.
Holcutt's trying to cut his teeth and wait out the year.
Coach Shannon deserves at least another 5 years…he's O&G to the BONE and has kids again wanting to be CANES.
So fine, young boy Holcutt's gotta make it like he's the new sheriff in town – fine — incentivize the Coach's Kontract. That's cool but give him a deal and get it done…
This is so F-n wrong —
So when Whip leaves after next year (for a promotion with his son GONE) its gonna be RS's fault? That's BS…
Had Heavy D not F'd up the women's Bball-coach salaries there'd be $$ to be paid…
Had Heavy D done the right thing we'd still have Kehoe…
Can't change the past — but WE can shape the future…
Ridiculous — I'm not saying I think Coach Shannon is the best game day coach in the league — but no contract is HAMPERING the U — and like always — (like the rejects who decided to give Corker an extension) that's a TRAVESTY!
PAY THE MAN!!!
NOW!
Canes, baaby
LOL.. randy shannon is not nearly as good a coach as butch davis.. and 20-18 at UNC is not the same as 21-17 at UM.. not to mention butch is putting out one of the best defenses in the conference if not the country..
this desire to compare our mediocrity under shannon to schools where 10 wins is a big deal needs to stop.. we are NOT unc, we should not be held to the same standards as them.. we SHOULD have higher standards, but for some reason Randy being head coach means we have to lower our expectations. ludicrous.
LOL.. randy shannon is not nearly as good a coach as butch davis..
… being that one has been a head coach for 15 years and the other is entering year four, I would hope Butch Davis is better.
20-18 at UNC is not the same as 21-17 at UM.. not to mention butch is putting out one of the best defenses in the conference if not the country..
Yeah, the same defense that Miami torched for 435 yards… in a LOSS.
And you're right, it's not the same in UNC as it is at UM. Miami actually plays real teams out of conference. Last year UNC took on Citadel, UConn, East Carolina and Georgia Southern.
Randy's Canes went 5-3 in the ACC and Butch's Heels went 4-4.
Kinda funny that Butch took over a UNC program in worse shape then Miami was when Shannon took over. They had worse recruiting and a worse prior 3 years run, even worse over 10 years then Miami. He's won pretty much the same amount of games and beaten us 3 years in a row. All at a basketball school in North Carolina that's never won or been shit in football.
Butch basically deserves to get paid more then Shannon. He's earned more, I hope Shannon's agent isn't even bringing up ANY ACC coaches names while in negotiations. I'd laugh his ass out of the building and stick a page of stats in his face that would likely show him that he needs to STFU and sign on the dotted line that Miami gave him.
Shannon deserves ACC type $ that puts him in the 8-12 position in terms of $ earned. Why? Because those are the results he's produced.
Vtech Beamer-is more accomplished (ACC championships) and thus deserves more $.
UNC Butch- has outperformed Shannon at a basket ball school and beaten him head to head every time they have met.
Gtech Paul Johnson- has outperformed Shannon and won an ACC title at a lesser program then Shannon took over in the same time frame
UVA- Groh is gone. Fired.
Duke Cutclff – taken Duke to their best seasons since the early 90's under Spurrier, he nearly beat Shannon 3 years in a row AT DUKE! This year he was beating Shannon into the 4th quarter…AT DUKE!
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FSU- Jimbo Fisher – new HC, FSU has chosen to pay him well. His offenses have put up 35+ points on Shannon's defenses every year they have faced including at LSU. He has outrecruited Shannon in his first recruiting class.
Clemson – Dabo – In his first year he achieved more at Clemson then Shannon has in 3 yrs at Miami, including a head to head win vs Shannon and reaching the ACC title game in year 1.
Wake Forrest – Grobe- He has won an ACC title and is more accomplished then Shannon.
NC State – O'brien- in terrible shape currently, he embarrassed Shannon in their only meetings head to head last year, 2008.
Maryland – Freidgen – he has been fired or "Let go".
Boston College – Spaz- year 1 he finished 1 game behind Shannon with an 8-5 record and with the same ACC record as Shannon. BC also lost to the same exact teams Shannon lost to in 2009 (Vtech, Clemson, UNC). Again, this is Boston College. Jury is still out on him.
Based on that list of ACC coaches, their accomplishments and how they have performed vs Shannon's teams there is NO QUESTION that Shannon deserves and has EARNED the right to be paid in the 9-12 spot of the ACC coaching salaries. In other words, towards the bottom of the ACC.
Give Randy an incentive-laiden contract and stop the BS!
Why on earth would Holcutt try to wait until he sees the results of this season?? I think that's a ridiculous reason for the delay with this extention, if that is indeed the case. All this procrastinating involving Shannon's contract is doing nothing but hampering this mans recruiting efforts, interferring with the focus of the team and his job at hand, and exposing how cheap and penny pinching the University of Miami actually is. You make these financial cuts like "busing" football players to games and save thousands, you raise millions of dollars yearly ect., yet you cant pay this man an extra hundred thousand or so?? To you fans that dont support Shannon through all of this, Dont bitch and cry when miami cant pull in a top 15 recruiting class in 2011, dont whine if miami struggles out of the gate this year, but I'll bet you'll be the first fans on his jock hollaring extention if he wins a conference title this year and act like you wanted itsooner. Holcutt procrastinating equals a tougher road for shannon.
Boy, I sure hope the University and Holcutt realize that recruits see these articals that these newspapers and the web publish. If this isnt handled quickly, a lot of these promising student athletes with interest in attending miami in the future, will turn their focus to programs where there's no job security issues at the head coach position. This situation can not only hurt in terms of recruiting but cloud the minds of the young men taking the field this year. I dont understand why they would prolong this when it involves an individual who's done everything he has been asked to do. I am 100% sure Shannon's contract wasnt based on winning titles, though it called for him to improve the team in which he has done. Some of the fans seem to think he's undeserving simply because he hasnt won titles, and that's absurd based on the team he inherited in 3 years worth of time. Not to mention 2 years with another mans recruits that appeared "underachieving" at best. Duke's coach gets paid higher. Thats a shame…
Respect your stance, but you're definitely one of those trying to build a case against Randy, and reaching big time…
Kinda funny that Butch took over a UNC program in worse shape then Miami was when Shannon took over. They had worse recruiting and a worse prior 3 years run, even worse over 10 years then Miami. He's won pretty much the same amount of games and beaten us 3 years in a row. All at a basketball school in North Carolina that's never won or been shit in football.
Again, all this 'basketball school' stuff is a joke. They minute UNC was willing to pay their head football coach over $2M a year and went after a former NFLer, they were no longer a 'basketball school'.
As for 'never being shit in football', I'm sure former long-time head coach Mack Brown would disagree as he built the foundation in the 90s and UNC's top brass dropped the ball with some bad hires in Carl Torbush and John Bunting. North Carolina spent the past decade TRYING to become a 'football school' and the Butch hire took them to the next level.
UNC has money and the desire to build a program and in Davis, a solid recruiter. They're keeping top talent home and he's cherry picking kids from South Florida.
Butch basically deserves to get paid more then Shannon. He's earned more, I hope Shannon's agent isn't even bringing up ANY ACC coaches names while in negotiations. I'd laugh his ass out of the building and stick a page of stats in his face that would likely show him that he needs to STFU and sign on the dotted line that Miami gave him.
Of course he does. He's a head coach with NFL experience and has been a head coach since 1995, outside a few years where he was between jobs. Shannon is entering year four. No one is debating Butch deserves more. Simply saying there's a middle ground between $1.3M a year and $2.2M.
Shannon deserves ACC type $ that puts him in the 8-12 position in terms of $ earned. Why? Because those are the results he's produced.
How can you say that when his team finished in the middle of the conference, not the bottom tier.
Vtech Beamer-is more accomplished (ACC championships) and thus deserves more $.
No one is debating that Beamer is a more accomplished coach… which is why he makes over $2M a year.
UNC Butch- has outperformed Shannon at a basket ball school and beaten him head to head every time they have met.
Again, not a 'basketball school' and a dumb argument that he beat him three times, as all three of those games we're topsy-turvy games that could've gone either way. Butch whooped Greg Schiano and Rutgers back in 2008 to the tune of 44-12. Should Schiano turn back in some of his $2M+ annual salary?
Davis is a 'defensive genius' and his mighty D gave up 435 yards against Miami's offense last year, which unraveled after Jacory Harris threw four interceptions – two of which were pick sixes.
Gtech Paul Johnson- has outperformed Shannon and won an ACC title at a lesser program then Shannon took over in the same time frame.
GT was in better shape in 2007 than Miami was. As for "outperforming" Shannon, Miami won last year's head-to-head matchup and the Canes lost four games to Georgia Tech's three losses. Not a huge differential yet Johnson made $2.3M last year. Light years more than Shannon made.
Duke Cutclff – taken Duke to their best seasons since the early 90's under Spurrier, he nearly beat Shannon 3 years in a row AT DUKE! This year he was beating Shannon into the 4th quarter…AT DUKE!
Again, reaching. You're really going to rip Shannon because David Cutcliffe's Duke team supposedly ALMOST beat Miami? Love your definition of 'almost', too as Miami won by 10, 18 and 18… I guess by that rational Miami almost beat North Carolina the last three years, losing by 6, 4 and 9 points, respectively.
You blow Butch for owning Miami with three single-digit losses, yet hype Duke for losing three in a row by double-digits. Another hater with an agenda… Typical.
Duke smoked NC State last year. Should Tom O'Brien give back some of his salary as a result?
FSU- Jimbo Fisher – new HC, FSU has chosen to pay him well. His offenses have put up 35+ points on Shannon's defenses every year they have faced including at LSU. He has outrecruited Shannon in his first recruiting class.
… so now it's "Shannon's defense" even though he hasn't been defensive coordinator since 2006. No blame on Tim Walton, Bill Young or John Lovett. Classic. You're also bringing up a 40-3 beatdown where every facet of the Canes got smoked in the Peach Bowl, where blame belonged on everyone involved with the program.
As for "outrecruiting" Shannon, how many head-to-head guys did FSU get that UM wanted and vice versa? It all balances out.
FSU had more needs to fill with Fisher taking the helm, same way Shannon reeled in the NUMBER ONE CLASS IN THE NATION IN 2008, on the heels of a 5-7 season.
When you have voids that need to be filled and you're a top flight program, the promise of early playing time and room to grow is going to attract a lot of players. Shannon saw that windfall after year one and now Fisher is seeing it. Doesn't make one any better than the other.
Randy Shannon is 21-17 with three years experience. Jimbo Fisher is 0-0 with no experience… yet is being paid more and is being overhyped by a Randy-hater. Shock.
Clemson – Dabo – In his first year he achieved more at Clemson then Shannon has in 3 yrs at Miami, including a head to head win vs Shannon and reaching the ACC title game in year 1.
… ahh, yes, SO much better than Shannon because of one head-to-head meeting and overtime win – that one win being the difference between Clemson's 6-2 ACC record last year and Miami's 5-3 conference run.
You also leave out that the Atlantic is a weaker division, where 6-2 won the conference and 5-3 was third place in the Coastal. You also leave out that Clemson lost to the same eventual ACC champ (Georgia Tech) that Shannon and Miami smoked during the season.
Wake Forrest – Grobe- He has won an ACC title and is more accomplished then Shannon.
Won the ACC by a fluke one year and is now 0-2 against Shannon, which was your argument when saying coaches like Davis, Fisher (OC) and Sweeney are 'better' than Randy.
He's also entering his SIXTEENTH season as a head coach, so he better be more 'accomplished'.
NC State – O'brien- in terrible shape currently, he embarrassed Shannon in their only meetings head to head last year, 2008.
Again your flawed logic bites you. Miami beats Duke by 10, 18 and 18, yet the Devils ALMOST beat the Canes… and in this case, NC State beats Miami by 10- outgaining UM by 48 total yards – and Shannon was "embarrassed" by O'Brien. (Don't blame Marve and Harris for four total INTs, just blame the coach.)
Maryland – Freidgen – he has been fired or "Let go".
… no he hasn't. He's still Maryand's coach. A buyout of his contract is upwards of $4M, so he's not going anywhere. From 10-2 in 2001 to 2-10 in 2009. Nice work, Ralph.
Truthfully, If I were Shannon I'd want a raise too. 10 head coaches in the ACC make more money than he does. Tell me how coaches at duke, maryland, NC State, virginia and FSU get paid more than Shannon. What have those programs done the past 3 years?? Jimbo Fisher is comming in making more money and hasnt played a game yet. What they're offering Shannon and what he's asking for isn't to big of a difference. You're talking about a couple hundred thousand to put him on level playing field with what these coaches make serving at equal or less sucessful programs. If he restores miami's dominance like he's proving he's on course to do, it'll be well worth the couple thousand and extra year.
Good Read and debate! Pay him incentive based with around $1.4mil a year! After this year pay the man the big money! Because we ARE GOING TO WIN THE ACC!!!!!!!!!!
Butch Davis and Roy Williams have talked about turning UNC into a football school, as well as a basketball school.
Anyone who thinks that this will not happen is an idiot.
Butch can flat out recruit and Canes fans know this.
We've all heard the talk, the last couple of years about the powerhouse SEC.
The ACC is well on it's way to becoming that.
The only real power in the SEC, is now Alabama.
UF will lose games. Even with their usual soft schedule. The few times that they play quality teams, they will lose. They have lost too much talent.
To the longwinded poster who tried to flex his muscle, Canes305 just put you back in place.
Your rant about other coaches absolutely reeked of an agenda and you didn't have the points to back it up.
UNC is on their way to becoming a football school, Jimbo Fisher is overpaid, Duke never had a shot at really beating Miami, Jim Grobe was one and done and not only did Miami shut down Paul Johnson's genius triple option, so did Georgia and Iowa.
You lost me when you didn't even know The Fridge was still head coach at Maryland.
Maybe next time you'll put more effort into trying to support Randy Shannon than building such a biased case against him.
Nice thread over here, and the comments section is an interesting one. I did not know that Shannon made less than USF coach Jim Leavitt before he was fired.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/378860-randy-shannons-contract-the-800-lbs-ibis-in-the-room
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Mr. Allcanes/canes305 or whatever your name is. I'll start by saying that YOUR entire article is agenda driven and unfortunately isn't within the spirit of what Miami football used to stand for. Your are a part of the new wave of fan that accepts and promotes 4-7 loss seasons and embarrassing bowl game outings such as ours vs Wiscy and Cal.
My apologies for mistakenly mentioning that fat Fridge was out at Maryland. That error in no way dismissed all other points.
So let me get this correct.
1) UNC is now a football school, right? Let me ask you, have you ever lived in NC? Ever been inside the UNC community? Ever looked at the local talent they get? UNC will NEVER be a football school. NEVER, no matter how badly you would like to BUILD UP a sad program like unc in order to defend our pathetic inability to beat them for 3 yrs in a row despite the fact that Butch took over a UNC program in WORSE condition then what Shannon took over. Go look up how many games they won the previous 3-5 yrs under bunting. Butch also isn't keeping tje top talent at home, he wiffed on many of the top guys in MC and SC last year.
WTF does rutgers have to do with the topic at hand? Try not to reach toooooo far, it's desperate. Your ability to explain away 3 losses to UNC as "oh, they were nit bad, they were topsy turvy"……that's humiliating to hear from a Miami fan. Suddenly losing to unc is ok as long as it's close. You do realize that a major power program losing to an unranked 5 loss unc team is largely viewed as unacceptable and embarrassing, don't you?
Honest question, are you really a Miami fan? I find that difficult to believe.
2) Grobe at Wake Forrest suddenly is just a "lucky" coach that "lucked" into an ACC championship and another acc champ game appearance. Brother, PLEASE stop and take a step back to look at what YOU just said. You sound like Don Baily Jr. You can't explain or give respect to what Grobe has done at WAKE FORREST so you just say "he got lucky". Cmon brah, that's crazy talk, maybe these minions that don't know a damn about football or the cfb landscape will eat it up, but don't try telling that to anyone that understands CFB. Just stop.
3) Dabo's accomplishments in year 1 are suddenly without Merritt. If SHANNON went to the ACC champ game in year 1 YOU would be SINGING HIS PRAISES!!! You are singing them NOW and he's never lost less then 4 games.
BTW, dabo took over a Clemson team that lost more games the previous 3 years then what Miami lost the previous 3 years prior to hiring Shannon.
How on earth can you dismiss or deminish the FACT that he ALSO defeated Shannon head to head? How? Explain that to me because THAT game killed OUR ACC title hopes and SAVED clemsons ACC champ hopes.
Who cares if he lost to gtech, he beat Shannon and ruined OUR season and achieved MORE. He was able to keep his team from melting down the stretch while shannons just fell apart, again.
Guys like you are willing to reach and explain away just about everything. Are you sure you are not Don?
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4) GTECH was in "better shape then Miami in 2007"? "not a huge difference" between PJ and Shannons results?
You do realize that Paul Johnson in year 1 transformed a program that lost more games the previous 3 yrs then what Miami lost in the 3 yrs prior to Shannon being hired and PJ implimented a completely new system with the wrong types of players, he moved guys around and churrned out a great year 1 better then shannons year 1 or yr 2.
PJ also WON the ACC championship in yr 2 AND finished with a better record then Shannon has ever finished with. How on earth is that "not much of a difference"???? 1 guy has a trophy and bcs game and the other has never finished better then 3rd in his division.
You are DAMN right he deserves more $ then Shannon. BTW, PJ is doing it all with a team that isn't even built for his system and a QB that is terrible for what he'd REALLY like to do. No excuses, he just WINS more then GTECH ever has. Now are you going to try and convince these guys that GTECH is some power with built in advantages? LOL
5) losing to duke in the 4th quarter is never acceptable at Miami. Sorry, it just isn't. That is humiliating.
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6) Poor Shannon, he is a defensive coach, but none of his coordinators can perform under him. Ask bill young why he REALLY left. Ask him about how Shannon pulled the plug on his D and wouldn't let him run his zones. Ask him about the gtech debacle. Either way, Miami should never struggle on D, especially when the HC is Shannon. Common denominator is Shannon. Why does he keep having to replace coaches? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
7) You are bragging about that 2008 class, "#1 class". Damn right it was a great haul and we had some outstanding local talent that we sold "rebuilding Miami" to that year.
Now sir, since you want to CLAIM that great class and it's ranking, can you kindly tell me where the OTHER 3 classes have ended up? I'm sure you know, you just didn't post it because it wouldn't look very good since they were nowhere near top type classes. And spare me the "Miami wasn't built on top classes". It's not 1986 anymore, it's not even 1998 anymore.
If you are gonna claim the 2008 class, then claim the 07,09,10 classes with all those bigtime misses and whifs…along with some good pickups.
Shannon has proven that he's not actually a top recruiter, he's gonna have to WIN to recruit with the upper echelon of cfb because selling dreams ala 2008 only lasted for 1 class.
FINALLY: in conclusion, Miami obviously feels similar to the way I do and not the way YOU do. I'm glad for that, it tells me we are finally running this place the way it should be run. We are paying based on actual results relative to the competition. They OBVIOUSLY do not believe 100% in Shannon and are positioning themselves for a potential buyout. They are PROTECTING our program while guys like you just want to pander to whoever the coach is results be damned.
As I've shown, he's earned 9-12 money based on his actual work at one of the top programs in the country and top 2-3 in the ACC. Simply put, 4-7 losses for 3 yrs running, late season collapses, never finishing hire then 3rd in a division that is a part of a conference that doesn't even sniff competing for national titles now adays and getting humiliated in bowl games is just not acceptable at Miami. It doesn't get you good $.
You see, I love UM. I dont tolerate garbage and don't live in fantasy land. I support Miami, not coaches.
PS- please don't attemp to tell me about how Wiscy didn't smash us up in the bowl game. I'm sure you are chapped up and drooling to toss out some "we almost came back" stuff after we were dominated by them and allowed multiple players to have career high days.
That reminds me, Clemson killed us for who knows how many yards with a freshman QB that was terrible leading up to that game. I forgot about that, we gave 3 of their players career high days too.
PSS- go look up what a guy like Pelini was able to do. No excuses about prior crappy coaches, no enormous transition periods, just good coaching and leadership…boom, results in yr one with a young team with the wrong personnel. Compare his results as a first time coach to shannons.
Kiss the baby
I'll go back and forth with you all day, champ… barring you sack up and quit posting as 'anonymous'. Put your info out there, or the next rant won't get posted here.
Mr. Allcanes/canes305 or whatever your name is. I'll start by saying that YOUR entire article is agenda driven and unfortunately isn't within the spirit of what Miami football used to stand for. Your are a part of the new wave of fan that accepts and promotes 4-7 loss seasons and embarrassing bowl game outings such as ours vs Wiscy and Cal.
Wrong. I'm simply a logical person that can admit how far this team fell after poor recruiting and not developing players under the last head coach.
Ten years ago I sounded like you, bitching about Butch like you do Randy. Covering the Canes for Grassy.com and pissing and moaning about how 5-6 was "unacceptable" – a biased fan like you who just 'expected' Miami to win. Felt like our players and coaches were incompetent and didn't want it bad enough.
Then I saw Butch turn the corner and went and looked at those rebuilding years. The shell of a team the Canes fielded in 1997, front and center in Tallahassee for 47-0. Rock bottom.
All the bitching about Randy blowing timeouts against Cal – I've since re-watched Davis do the same thing in 1996 before halftime against Virginia Tech.
You rant and rave about not 'accepting' 4-7 loss seasons — but how are you not accepting it? By getting on your soapbox and constantly building a case against a head coach that has improved every year — going as far as hyping guys like Jim Grobe's one good season in 2006 — yet ignoring his 0-2 record against Shannon and three straight years of backsliding since? You build a convenient argument, leaving out a lot of fact.
If you're so against Randy Shannon's version of the the Miami Hurricanes, put your head in the sand and stop watching games, supporting the team, etc. until he's fired.
WTF does rutgers have to do with the topic at hand? Try not to reach toooooo far, it's desperate.
Really?
Miami interviewed Greg Schiano and offered him $2.2M to take over after the '06 season – he declined – and after three years of Shannon bettering the program, Miami wants to pay him about $800,000 less than the one-year-wonder in Jersey.
THAT is what Rutgers has to do with the topic at hand, friend.
UNC will NEVER be a football school. NEVER, no matter how badly you would like to BUILD UP a sad program like unc in order to defend our pathetic inability to beat them for 3 yrs in a row despite the fact that Butch took over a UNC program in WORSE condition then what Shannon took over. Go look up how many games they won the previous 3-5 yrs under bunting.
"Worse" condition, eh? Hakeem Nicks and Brandon Tate were the starting receivers. Quan Sturdivant was a starting linebacker. Denuta Williams was at safety. Marvin Austin had an instant impact on the defensive line as a freshman. Highly-touted Greg Little had an immediate impact at running back. (Oh yeah, Nicks… Tate… Sturdivant… Williams… Little… all NORTH CAROLINA products.) Current and future NFL talent right there, pal.
Meanwhile, Miami have four-pick Kyle Wright at quarterback (for the '07 meeting), while relying on Darnell Jenkins, Lance Leggett and Sam Shields at wideout, with DajLeon Farr at tight end.
Connor Barth was drilling field goals for UNC while UM fielded perennial back up Francisco Zampogna.
Grobe at Wake Forrest suddenly is just a "lucky" coach that "lucked" into an ACC championship and another acc champ game appearance. Brother, PLEASE stop and take a step back to look at what YOU just said. You sound like Don Baily Jr. You can't explain or give respect to what Grobe has done at WAKE FORREST so you just say "he got lucky". Cmon brah, that's crazy talk, maybe these minions that don't know a damn about football or the cfb landscape will eat it up, but don't try telling that to anyone that understands CFB. Just stop.
Don't put words into my mouth. You're turning a comment into something it's not.
Luck absolutely plays into getting to a conference title game, winning a conference title, getting to the national championship and/or winning it all.
If Rumph's knee doesn't send it into Walters' gut and Reed's hands, Miami 2001 doesn't reach Pasadena and the most talented team in college doesn't get a ring. Luck and the football gods have as much to do with how things play out as anything.
Grobe is a good coach, but 2006 was an aberration, not the trend. He didn't build something special at Wake. The man had a good year. 11-3 in 2006 after 4-7 the previous year. Wake followed up 11-3 with 9-4, 8-5 and 4-7.
You hype a man whose team has gotten WORSE the past three years – leavi ng out the fact he's 0-2 against the same Randy Shannon – all while trashing Randy and ignoring the fact he's BETTERED the Miami program each of the past three years.
The crux of your argument, hyping other ACC coaches, was their head-to-head match ups against Shannon. Grobe has never beaten Shannon, yet you CONVENIENTLY leave out that fact and point to his lone good year at Wake. His next best year in his career is 9-4 — the same record you trash Shannon for achieving this year, against tougher competition.
3) Dabo's accomplishments in year 1 are suddenly without Merritt. If SHANNON went to the ACC champ game in year 1 YOU would be SINGING HIS PRAISES!!! You are singing them NOW and he's never lost less then 4 games.
BTW, dabo took over a Clemson team that lost more games the previous 3 years then what Miami lost the previous 3 years prior to hiring Shannon.
How on earth can you dismiss or deminish the FACT that he ALSO defeated Shannon head to head? How? Explain that to me because THAT game killed OUR ACC title hopes and SAVED clemsons ACC champ hopes.
I don't "sing Shannon's praises". I point out FACT regarding accomplishments versus what he inherited, while yahoos like you rant and rave, full of emotion and zero logic.
Again you fail to miss the point about the state of a program when said coach took over. Tommy Bowden ALWAYS had talent, but never coached it up. Clemson opened the 2008 season in the TOP TEN. Miami was unranked from late 2006 through early 2009, thanks to Coker's bare cupboard.
Bowden was canned after a 3-3 start with a top ten team BECAUSE he underachieved with so much TALENT. James Davis and CJ Spiller were two of the best in the nation. Miami had NO ONE on that level in 2007.
Get off the wins/losses and look at the situation, the talent, the state of the program.
Lastly, I don't dismiss head-to-head, but let's be real. Sweeney finished 6-2 in the weaker division of the ACC. Shannon finished 5-3. The difference was the head-to-head match up a– three-point OT loss. Miami had 433 total yards to Clemson's 410. Miami rushed for 177 yards to Clemson's 84.
The Canes turned it over four times – three interceptions and one pick six – as well as giving up a boneheaded 90-yard kickoff return before the half. With ALL those blunders, a three-point overtime loss and you're posting Sweeney as night and day over Shannon? That's idiotic.
For all the crap Shannon took for his 2010 recruiting class – his third and Sweeney's first – Miami STILL out-recruited Clemson, yet you hype Sweeney.
Again, your logic remains flawed…
GTECH was in "better shape then Miami in 2007"? "not a huge difference" between PJ and Shannons results?
You do realize that Paul Johnson in year 1 transformed a program that lost more games the previous 3 yrs then what Miami lost in the 3 yrs prior to Shannon being hired and PJ implimented a completely new system with the wrong types of players, he moved guys around and churrned out a great year 1 better then shannons year 1 or yr 2.
Again you pad your stats. Miami was 25-12 between 2004-2006 while Georgia Tech went 23-16 between 2005-2007. Not the huge difference you imply it is. Both teams were 7-6 when new coaches took over.
Miami bottomed out in 2007 talent-wise. In 2006, the Canes still had Brandon Meriweather, Jon Beason and Greg Olsen – three first rounders. Randy's first year, those guys are gone so UM got progressively worse as their back ups weren't first round material. For all of those who bitch that Shannon's first year was worse than Coker's last – there you go. Less talent in 2007 equated in a worse record.
As for Johnson, he runs a gimmicky offense that won him some games out the gate as teams need to LEARN to stop the triple option. He's lost seven games the past two years – Shannon lost ten. You're sure making a lot of noise for a three-game swing – especially when each coach handed the other a loss.
And where's your knock on Johnson's 38-3 ass beating at the hands of LSU year one? (Or the fact he's 0-2 in bowl games – just like Shannon?) At least when Miami got smoked by LSU, it was two top ten teams and the Tigers were good.
In 2008, GT rolled in #14 and got the balls handed to them by an UNRANKED and then 7-5 LSU squad. The triple option was manhandled – just like Iowa owned it a year later in the bowl game, holding Tech to 155 total yards, less than the 228 Miami allowed.
To Johnson's credit, he won the ACC…. which I already gave him credit for and stated that he deserved more than Shannon at this point of the game… so again, what the hell is your point?
losing to duke in the 4th quarter is never acceptable at Miami. Sorry, it just isn't. That is humiliating.
Yeah you're right. No good teams are ever down to lesser teams in the fourth quarter. Florida. Texas. Alabama. None trailed in the fourth at all last year.
2002 Miami was ranked #1 in the land and was down 17-14, IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, to a lowly 1-7 Rutgers squad, before 28 fourth quarter points made it 42-17… but 2010 Miami should be humiliated for trailing Duke 16-13 and rattling off 21 points for a 34-16 win.
Lastly, you leave out the fact that Thad Lewis was the heart/soul and lone reason Duke was even in the game. Such a shock to you that a local kid, which Miami passed on, played the games of his career against his hometown team? Keeping his squad in it – yet losing by double-digits all three meetings in the Shannon era?
Let's see where this Duke "rivalry" goes with Lewis gonzo and Miami taking another step forward.
Poor Shannon, he is a defensive coach, but none of his coordinators can perform under him. Ask bill young why he REALLY left. Ask him about how Shannon pulled the plug on his D and wouldn't let him run his zones. Ask him about the gtech debacle. Either way, Miami should never struggle on D, especially when the HC is Shannon. Common denominator is Shannon. Why does he keep having to replace coaches? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Yes, enlighten us as to the REAL reason Bill Young left. I'm sure it had nothing to do with (1) a return to his alma mater and (2) OSU paying him $315, 000 a year as defensive coordinator – double his Miami salary. Double the pay and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to go 'home'.
Other than Young, Tommie Robinson is the other who left – for the SAME job in the NFL with the Arizona Cardinals. Tim Walton, Patrick Nix and Marquis Mosely were all FIRED. (Clint Hurtt was pushed out as much as he left for Louisville, mostly due to letting recruiting efforts slip.)
The two that left did so for greener pastures, more money and better jobs.
Now sir, since you want to CLAIM that great class and it's ranking, can you kindly tell me where the OTHER 3 classes have ended up?
According to ESPN, 2008 was top-ranked, 2009 was #7 and 2010 was #13 – before the Latwan Anderson signing. What's your point?
The '08 class had some banner players because the cupboard was bare across the board and instant playing time attracted some local kids who wanted to play early. 2009 was very solid and 2010 didn't crack the top ten because it was heavy in offensive linemen and fewer skills players.
Oh yeah and that '10 class which everyone loves to trash – higher ranked than Ohio State, Dabo Sweeney's Tigers, Butch Davis' Heels, Paul Johnson's Jackets, Jim Grobe's Deacs – the ENTIRE ACC besides Florida State, who ALWAYS recruits well and had voids to fill after a 6-6 regular season. (Akin to Shannon's solid class after 5-7 in 2007… Fisher and FSU are where Miami was two years ago. Sweet.)
If you are gonna claim the 2008 class, then claim the 07,09,10 classes with all those bigtime misses and whifs…along with some good pickups.
2007 wasn't Randy's class. Coker stuck around until the New Years' Eve bowl game. Shannon had one month to save the class, reeling in Marve, Cooper and Bailey – three that Coker had lost or never had.
As for these supposed 'whiffs' the 2008 class is entering its JUNIOR season, with AT BEST, two years under it's collective belt. How in the hell can you deem someone a "whiff" with TWO YEARS eligibility remaining? Classic.
FINALLY: in conclusion, Miami obviously feels similar to the way I do and not the way YOU do. I'm glad for that, it tells me we are finally running this place the way it should be run. We are paying based on actual results relative to the competition. They OBVIOUSLY do not believe 100% in Shannon and are positioning themselves for a potential buyout. They are PROTECTING our program while guys like you just want to pander to whoever the coach is results be damned.
You are delusional. Miami is being notoriously cheap. They're not protecting the program, they're protecting their checkbook. Don't confuse the two. UM wants Shannon, but at a discount.
If not Randy, then WHO do you think this cheap program would get? You think the day will come that $4M will be doled out for a Nick Saban-type? Please. The admin has a program on the rise and a head coach who keeps his kids out of trouble. That said, he's green, so they don't want to pay up… but don't think for a second that the admin isn't "sold" on what Randy is doing. I want some of what you're smoking.
PS- please don't attemp to tell me about how Wiscy didn't smash us up in the bowl game. I'm sure you are chapped up and drooling to toss out some "we almost came back" stuff after we were dominated by them and allowed multiple players to have career high days.
Yeah that, or you could actually do your homework and look up the post-game rant (http://www.allcanes.com/blog/2009/12/game-thirteen-wisconsin-20-miami-14.html), absolutely critical of Miami's lackluster play… but again, why would you let facts get in the way of a spirited, emotional rant.
Again, point missed regarding the would-be comeback. For as AWFUL as Miami played that night and for the 'ass beating' Wisky delivered, the Canes STILL had the ball with a chance to win in the final moments. Point being, HAD MIami shown up and gotten some play out of their lines, this was a winnable game. UM was manhandled, Harris was sacked FIVE times, the defensive line got zero pressure and it was back to the drawing board.
While you piss and moan online, Shannon went out and loaded this class with offensive linemen, while bringing Rick Petri on board to toughen up the defensive front four. The now fourth-year coach learned from his mistakes – like he has every year – and made some changes… which you completely ignore in your pointless rant.
That reminds me, Clemson killed us for who knows how many yards with a freshman QB that was terrible leading up to that game. I forgot about that, we gave 3 of their players career high days too.
433 to 410 total yards in Miami's favor.
Yes, Parker threw all over Miami – which tends to happen when you throw 37 times as the opponent stifles the run. Clemson to 84 rushing yards and held Spiller had 81 on the day.
Special teams breakdowns, Harris' three picks and a 50-yard interception return were the only reason this game even WENT to overtime.
Mr. AllCanes, or Don Bailey Jr, or Xavier, or whoever you are. You are officially a lost cause.
Lets get something strait here my friend. You painting me as being in an "Emotional rant" is cute. It's a nice little schtick, but it doesn't take away from the actual facts and discussion here.
I'm not reading your "Blog", you're terrible at this football stuff and I have no interest in reading anymore of your nonsense.
I just can't reason with someone that is posting the silliness you are posting.
My best guess is that ND, USC, Florida, Texas, Bama, etc would NEVER justify 4-7 loss seasons and put themselves in the same breath as programs like UNC, Gtech, Clemson.
What happened to Miami fans? Where did we go? We used to stand for something, winning, championships…now we are ok with justifying L's to putrid 4-6 losses ACC also-rans.
We could go back and forth all day, but in the end you would just be doing your best to justify losses to 4-5 loss programs that have never won much in CFB.
I would be proving those losses to be unacceptable at my beloved University of Miami.
I very well understand that this is an AllCanes blog and you guys like to rub shoulders with coaches and players, thus the homer spin job. I get that, but you sir are being ridiculous.
BTW, Spiller had about 400 total yards.
Skinner who was terrible leading up to our game vs Wake in 09' had a career day with a Wake team who's offense was putrid all year going for 500+ yards on our D. LUCKILY Skinner got hurt in the final minutes of that game and Grobe had to go to a run game.
Can you do me a favor, I need to laugh a bit this morning. Can you please post how you justify our humiliating no-show vs Vtech this year? Let me guess……it was the rain that caused us to get destroyed.
Were you at UNC? I was there, I saw our team allow them to gut us down the stretch and pound the run down our throats as if we didn't want to be there. In fact, if you saw that team come out of the locker room pre-game you KNEW they were not ready to play football. If you saw them chucking and laughing AFTER the loss you'd KNOW that our culture is messed up right now.
Go ahead……..spin it all away.
4-7 losses a year is ok for you. Not for me.
I'm not reading your "Blog", you're terrible at this football stuff and I have no interest in reading anymore of your nonsense.
I wish this was goodbye, but we all know this won't be the end of you.
What happened to Miami fans? Where did we go? We used to stand for something, winning, championships…now we are ok with justifying L's to putrid 4-6 losses ACC also-rans.
What happened is it's not 1987 anymore, guy. The landscape has changed and where UM was once the frontrunner, completely changing the game, it is now playing catch up as a private school that doesn't have a tenth the athletic budget as a Florida, Texas, Ohio State, etc.
If you can't accept or acknowledge that, I don't know what to tell you. Miami can still build off a three decade old brand, recruiting local talent and playing up "The U" — but all this talk about facilities, off campus stadium and a small athletic budget is REAL… hence an athletic department who doesn't want to fork over more than $1.4M for their head coach when the ACC median is $1.75M.
We could go back and forth all day, but in the end you would just be doing your best to justify losses to 4-5 loss programs that have never won much in CFB.
I would be proving those losses to be unacceptable at my beloved University of Miami.
… again, you deem it 'unacceptable' but what are you doing outside of bitching on a blog?
Are you writing letters to UM daily? Do you sit outside the administration office, demanding to talk to the president and AD? Do you rally big time boosters, putting together a logical game plan regarding who the new coach should be?
No. You simply write in here, talking about how you're not gonna take it anymore and you'll still watch every game next year, pissed off and miserable, while nothing changes.
I very well understand that this is an AllCanes blog and you guys like to rub shoulders with coaches and players, thus the homer spin job. I get that, but you sir are being ridiculous.
I grew up in Miami and have lived in Southern California and have so for the last ten years. I could give a rat's ass about rubbing shoulders with coaches and players. Go back and read the last five years worth of blogs. I've been very critical of this program at times.
BTW, Spiller had about 400 total yards.
… yeah about 300 of which were special teams issues, not a defensive breakdown, which you tried to pin on "Shannon's defense".
Skinner who was terrible leading up to our game vs Wake in 09' had a career day with a Wake team who's offense was putrid all year going for 500+ yards on our D. LUCKILY Skinner got hurt in the final minutes of that game and Grobe had to go to a run game.
Good God, you're funny. So now Wake sucked in 2009… but you hyped Jim Grobe as a great coach when building an argument regarding what he deserves financially versus Shannon. Nice work.
Even worse, you just make shit up. Skinner was "putrid" all year long?
25-of-24 for 354 yards – 2 TDs, 1 INT @ BC
31-of-45 for 361 yards – 3 TDs, 2 INTS vs. NCST
23-of-33 for 360 yards – 4 TDs vs. Maryland
The kid wasn't putting up Heisman numbers, but to say he was 'putrid' is idiotic.
Even after the Miami game, he was still good in the final three games:
26-of-40 for 263 yards – 2 TD @ GT
25-of-40 for 227 yards – 1 TD, 2 INT vs. FSU
28-of-38 for 372 yards – 5 TDs @ Duke
Can you do me a favor, I need to laugh a bit this morning. Can you please post how you justify our humiliating no-show vs Vtech this year? Let me guess……it was the rain that caused us to get destroyed.
You need a laugh, go back and read your drivel.
VT worked UM. No one ever debated that. You want a REASON for the loss – the lack of a balanced attack. Whipple had Harris airing the ball out the first two games and brought no ground game to Blacksburg. The Canes rushed for a paltry 59 yards against a tough blue collar defense that attacked the quarterback all day long – something neither FSU or GT was able to do.
A finesse passing game from an OC that no one had film on games one and two was dissected by Bud Foster and staff. Tech forced Miami to run and they couldn't. At this point of the season UM's toughest runner Damien Berry wasn't even a factor in the offense at that point of the year.
Tech did the opposite – pounding the ball in the rain with Williams, letting Taylor break off on a few plays and limiting him to NINE attempts. TT had FOUR completions for 98 yards — 48 of which came on one play, when UM's corner slipped on a wet field.
Again my jaded friend, one of those days where one team made plays and another ran into a buzzsaw. No running game. Blocked punt for TD. TD thrown by a sub par QB when a defender slipped. UM got handled. It happens. Good teams lose every week. Why is that so hard for you to accept.
Ohio State rolled Oregon in the Rose Bowl.. but got handled by a then 1-5 Purdue team — down 23-7 entering the fourth quarter, before a late score made it 26-18.
Iowa rolls to 11-2 and handled your Paul Johnson-led Yellow Jackets… but lost 17-10 to a then 5-4 Northwestern team – at HOME.
The same VT team you hype lost to North Carolina and Georgia Tech.
Oh yeah, and all your man-love for Bo Pellini, Nebraska went 10-4 last year, losing to not as good as they used to be Texas Tech and sub par Iowa State (finished 7-6), yet you're not lambasting him.
Good teams lose games. Great teams don't, a la Alabama. Deal with it. Miami was a 9-4 team last year, expected to start the season 0-4 and instead went 3-1. No one was calling for an ACC title or national championship last year, based on where the rebuild was at. This team did what many expected it to do.
More embarrassing was the 31-7 loss at Tech in 2003, a year after a second straight title game appearance and UM's first regular season loss since 2000 @ Washington.
Were you at UNC? I was there, I saw our team allow them to gut us down the stretch and pound the run down our throats as if we didn't want to be there. In fact, if you saw that team come out of the locker room pre-game you KNEW they were not ready to play football. If you saw them chucking and laughing AFTER the loss you'd KNOW that our culture is messed up right now.
For a team not 'ready' to play football, it put up 435 yards against a solid UNC defense and the Heels needed FOUR turnovers and TWO pick sixes to get out with a nine-point win.
Again, you're reaching… and what does BEING at the game have to do with witnessing the result? There's a great invention called TELEVISION. Check it out some time. It allows you to witness a sporting event without actually BEING THERE.
4-7 losses a year is ok for you. Not for me.
… and again, what are you doing about it – other than bitching here?
Get Kirby on the phone. Bang on Donna's door. Initiate a 'Fire Randy' rally on campus. Boycott games. Picket outside the stadium.
I love the anti-Randy contingent talking about how they aren't going to "accept" this type of play. Enlighten us as to how you're going to change things, champ?
And on that note, you're done here, unless you can bring a logical argument.
Anonymous, please stop. You're absolutely embarrassing yourself.
I'm not sure why I did it, but I read through your entire rant with AllCanes and you're less logical than my overemotional first girlfriend who tired to off herself with a bottle of Excedrin.
305 makes some valid points, all of which you ignore as you're on to the next illogical point of your own. Stop now. Save yourself another beating.
I'm not thrilled with 9-4 and believe the jury is still out on Randy Shannon, but I do agree that he has made this program better each of the past three seasons. Year four is do or die. That doesn't mean he has to win the ACC, but I want to see a more improved product on the field than the one we saw in 2009.
Randy hasn't hyped the past three teams much, but seems generally excited about the 2010 team. He deserves the benefit of the doubt, so why not afford him that?
Like Canes says, what are you really doing by saying you're not going to stand for this s#*t anymore? Are you turning in your season tickets? Will you root for Urban's Gators? What are your options? This is the man in charge. By supporting him you're supporting the University of Miami. Your choice.
Jamie M.
Wellington, FL
Wow. Been a while since I stopped by. Glad to see nothing's changed! Idiots still writing in, saying idiotic things. Gotta love this moronic Miami fan base. I'm speechless.
Support Randy. Pay him his money. Big year ahead and recruits are watching!
allCanes… Don't you know?
You can't reason with an idiot!
This bozo has far too much time on his hands. My guess is that he's unemployed and living with his parents.
That is just a guess, but the signs are there.
What impresses me the most is that maybe 25 or 30 percent of what he said, is indeed accurate.
I understand and appreciate Miami fans expectations of undefeated and 1 loss seasons, but it's not the 80, 90's or even 00's anymore.
Let's talk just last year! Some 5 star, tradition filled, "powerhouse" teams had a WORSE season than Miami did in 2009!!! By the sounds of some of the talk here, some of you fans would rather have a coach from one of the following teams than Coach Shannon who had a worse season in 2009:
Michigan, USC, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, FSU and Georgia.
The bottom line is Coach Shannon has made this program better than what it was when he first became head coach. If you don't like what Coach shannon is doing why dont you go buy some Michigan or USC merchandise!
C.A.N.E.S…CANES!!!!!!!!!!
Jamie,
so in your own words you are ok with Shannon not winning the ACC this year? Tell me what your standards are for Miami? When exactly do you think we should win an ACC Conference in which no team comes remotely close to competing at the National Title level?
You got it all wrong pal, I'm a UM supporter through and through, I put my money where my mouth is. I stand up for our winning tradition. You are the one that needs to leave to the Gators join THEIR fanbase. If they had 200,000 Jamie M's from Wellington they would have an alumni/fan base that does not promote winning and demand winning. They wouldn't need to pay Meyer all that money. They could KEEP Ron Zook and lose 4-5 games a year because fans like you deem it to be OK.
"That doesn't mean he has to win the ACC", you should be ashamed for typeing that.
Good lord, this "Anonymous Clown" needs a good bitch-slap. If he is a actually a fan and this is what he focuses on and obsess over, I truly feel sorry for him.
ALLCANES – great post and great job dealing with this piece of work.
KIRBY HOCUTT – Get this contract done and pay Shannon. If our recruiting gets screwed because of a lack of contract it will your head I want on the chopping block.
GO CANES!
AllCanes,
I know anonymous and in fact his ideas communicated to Kirby affected change at the new stadium.
He is involved in the program and it's likely that he creates more positive change for the Universty of Miami football program than you or any of your readers.
Additionally, he throws kicking tailgates and if you're REALLY nice and apologize maybe he'll invite you to one.
Pull your head out.
Be Well
Denemy… You're an idiot.
You probably come from a long line of idiots.
As we all have already observed, your friend's an idiot, too.
Birds of a feather, right?
You need to pull your head out.
Out of your ass that is.
To admit that this moron is your friend.
You both are prime examples of why paddling should have never been taken out of our public schools.
How could this clown possibly effect change?
Is he part of the ground crew?
What is so sad is that the absolutely amazing level of stupidity can only be blamed on your parents.
It is obvious that neither one of you was never really disciplined as a child.
You both should have been beaten on a regular basis.
To think that both of you morons are actually walking among us is pretty damn frightening.
so in your own words you are ok with Shannon not winning the ACC this year? Tell me what your standards are for Miami? When exactly do you think we should win an ACC Conference in which no team comes remotely close to competing at the National Title level?
You won't agree, but I am closer to AllCanes mindset than I am yours.
Many intangibles come into winning the conference. I think UM should compete and could win the ACC this year, but I don't believe Shannon's job should hang in the balance if he does/doesn't win.
Miami could go 10-2 or 11-1 and still now win the division if a GT or VT is a one loss team and beats the Canes head to head.
The ACC should be wide open this year, but you discredit teams like GT, VT and UNC (as well as whoever would represent the Atlantic), implying that Miami basically deserves to win and that their head coach should be fired if they don't. That "all or nothing" mentality doesn't sit well with me.
Furthermore, if you fire Shannon for not winning the ACC, then where does Miami go next? Four years in rebuilding mode, are you ready to scrap that if this team goes 10-2 or 11-1 and doesn't win the ACC? I'm not.
You got it all wrong pal, I'm a UM supporter through and through, I put my money where my mouth is. I stand up for our winning tradition. You are the one that needs to leave to the Gators join THEIR fanbase. If they had 200,000 Jamie M's from Wellington they would have an alumni/fan base that does not promote winning and demand winning. They wouldn't need to pay Meyer all that money. They could KEEP Ron Zook and lose 4-5 games a year because fans like you deem it to be OK.
In three years Ron Zook never made Florida better. He was a perennial 8-5 guy and 7-5 his final year.
With all the talent he had at Florida, he should've done more. Spurrier made the Sugar Bowl in '00 and Orange Bowl in '01. Zook recruited well and then backslid with five loss seasons, which wasn't OK after SS's dominance.
It was time for Zook to go and UF replaced him with an up and coming guy like Meyer and had the money to do so. Miami doesn't play that way. UM's AD wouldn't fork over $4,000,000 for Jon Gruden. They don't even want to make Randy a middle of the road ACC coach salary wise. That doesn't make sense.
J.M.
Look how far the ancient arts of rhetoric and debate have fallen. Once proud academic subjects defiled like the thin bit of a thong on a $5 prossie after a quick one.
Your "feelings" are never the basis of a proper argument, anonymous. Never.
The mind that creates should be separate from the heart that bleeds. -Eliot.
The reason that UM had 2+ mil available for Schiano was because they were in crisis mode. An alarmingly bottoming-out program, poor national perception, a team tragedy … crisis. Here in 2010, Miami isn't in crisis mode – thus less willing to shell out crisis money. Rather, they're in a promising re-building mode. Why you ask? Because of the very man responsible for the calmer waters from which they have the luxury to low-ball their/that coach.
Pay Randy median money in an incentive laden contract and have done with it. Even if you consider his accomplishments at UM "modest", those accomplishments deserve a median contract with heavy incentives. The very reason Miami is in a position to bargain with anyone is because Shannon signed on at the bottom and started dragging Miami back towards the top.
Don't be a thick truncheon.