Miami at Ohio State … long time coming

To date I don’t think I’ve ever watched the entire game.

A VHS tape remains in a box somewhere, having set my machine to record before I drove from San Diego to Tempe in late 2002. I’ve even saved it on my DVR a few times when ESPN Classic re-ran the broadcast, fast-forwarding to “the call” and quickly deleting moments after Dan Fouts cries’ of “bad call, bad call” pumped through my speakers. I’d see enough.

I’ve been back to Scottsdale a dozen times since. Even took in an Arizona State / Southern Cal game in 2005, though I remember little more than staring at the corner of the end zone where the take down occurred, wishing I had Terry Porter’s home address.

When Miami and Ohio State go toe-to-toe this Saturday, it’s not completely about ‘revenge’ – but that doesn’t mean the Hurricanes forgot. Not the old guys, not the new ones and not any legitimate fan who understands the U Family bond.

This one is personal.

It’s been a long and winding road for the University of Miami since January 2003. The Canes put together an 11-2 campaign the following season, beating Florida once, Florida State twice, winning the Big East and and a BCS bowl game. In reality, a solid season, but on the heels of 12-0, 12-1 and back-to-back title games, it was a “step back”.

A step back this program would’ve killed for any of the past six seasons.

Miami joined the ACC in 2004, which has taken some blame for the decline. Truth be told, the Canes would’ve suffered a similar fate in the Big East those middle years this past decade. Recruiting miscues, a lack of player development and incompetent coaching led to UM’s demise. Not a conference move or bogus flag and singular moment.

The type of players that put the Canes back on the map after probation a decade ago, this program instead found itself enamored with five-star Internet superstars instead of gritty, Miami-style difference-makers. An under the radar Santana Moss-type was replaced with an overhyped Lance Leggett-type; someone who looked the part and good on paper, but lacked that intangible allowing him to fill the big shoes of his predecessors.

As seen with many winning programs or budding dynasties, a sense of entitlement has a way of seeping in – especially if the coaching staff can’t plug the dam, weed out bad seeds and motivate players, keeping everyone from getting fat and happy.

By the time Larry Coker was let go after the 2006 season, the UM culture was in need of a complete overhaul – a big reason few wanted the challenge of rebuilding. During that 7-6 swan song – a logo stomp, an on-the-field brawl, a life taken, a four-game losing skid and a bowl game on blue turf in Boise.

Not exactly as seamless as Howard to Jimmy to Dennis to Butch to Larry when Randy took charge.

ESPN’s Andrea Adelson said it best this week; “So Miami fans wait, and the players wait, for their return to glory. Anybody will tell you the downfall of a program happens more swiftly than the climb back up.”

It feels like Miami literally fell apart overnight, yet the rebuilding process feels like forever. Expectations and denial are to blame. No one wanted to believe the Canes were slipping when a few 9-3 seasons took place. UM still hovered in the top ten most of the year and twice lost in one of the final two games, giving that one- or two-loss feel most of the season. Things didn’t feel that off but in all reality, the decline started the year after the Fiesta.

Many refused to admit the demise was underway, which is why so many have been impatient during the slow climb back; their clocks started re-ticking too soon.

At times in 2009, the Canes looked like old school Miami. A win in Tallahassee. Revenge when Georgia Tech came calling. An upset over eighth-ranked Oklahoma. As the season wore on and injuries took their toll – most notably one to the throwing hand of starting quarterback Jacory Harris – the Canes looked mortal. By the time the year wound down, they weren’t the same team that rolled heads in September. Youth and a lack of depth made for a watered-down bunch of Canes – which is understandable regarding last year, but isn’t acceptable for 2010.

I refuse to buy the “ACC or bust” mentality, but it’s time for this program to take another big step forward. Miami hasn’t truly won a big game since November 2005, sitting pretty at No. 5 and rolling No. 3 Virginia Tech. Entering year four of this rebuilding project, the next logical step is stepping up and getting a big time win. Based on the past three years of growth, it’s time to inch closer back to the big time.

All the talk about Harris’ interceptions last year, there’s been little media benefit of the doubt regarding his growth. Junior season. More experience. Second year in system (both he and Mark Whipple were rookies in ’09). Mature receivers. Stable of running backs. More talent / less experience with offensive line – it could lead to addition by subtraction.

Colt McCoy hurled 18 interceptions as a sophomore and only 8 as a junior. The growth experienced from sophomore to junior – it’s a big one in the college game. Especially at the quarterback position.

J12 was green last year but if he’ll ever be a legit Heisman candidate and big name in college football, that starts in Columbus. Harris needs a signature game and he’d forever be endeared in his hometown’s heart if he rolled the punks that kept a sixth title from making its way to Coral Gables.

Santana dropped his “big time players step up in big games” quote after last-decade-Miami took down No. 1 Florida State, having dropped five straight to the Noles. The Canes had motivation that day – a 47-0 ass whipping in Tallahassee, only a few years removed from maturing team ready to take that next step forward.

A decade before that Rohan Marley delivered the same line when UM knocked off defending champ Florida State, 34-20, back in 1994 and weeks past a 58-home game win streak being snapped.

Step up in big games and make big time plays, according to No. 6 and No. 2. They did.

Anyone who’s read my words over the years knows I’ve backed Shannon from day one. Hometown guy. Played for UM. Spent a lot of years learning for Jimmy and Butch. Knows how to recruit. No nonsense individual. Proven winner in life and on the field.

You can’t script a better fit if or when he finally gets it done and entering year four, it’s time to take another step forward. The growth has been there every year under Shannon. Showed more grit year two. Won a few signature games year three. Talent pool expanded annually.

Timing-wise, Miami is getting Ohio State at the right time. A year or two ago, this game is tremendously lopsided. Entering 2010, the Canes again have the talent to hang with just about anybody.

This Saturday is the main stage – something Miami’s made their name thriving on over the years – but how does that translate to this weekend? The Buckeyes ended last season working a pretty good Oregon squad in Pasadena while the Canes choked in a mid-tier Central Florida bowl game against a team Ohio State beat. That was last then. This is now. Who shows up Saturday?

When Shannon inked the top-ranked class in the country back in 2008, everyone circled 2010. The Northwestern crew and Booker T. kids are now juniors and youth is no longer an excuse; it’s time to man up. Just outside of high school when the Fiesta Bowl took place, it was still their hometown team that got jobbed. They remember.

Defensive lineman Marcus Forston said he saw those old school Canes as ‘gladiators’ back in the day. He looked up to those guys. Still does … and so do his teammates. They’ve all heard the pre-season message loud and clear from yesterday’s Canes; take down the Buckeyes.

Miami is a proud city. It doesn’t like to be disrespected; tried. Pick on one of ours and we take it personally. Give us a reason to get involved or to push back and we will.

Former players return home every summer – some paying NFL-sized fines for not training with their team – just to be part of the family. There was a common theme this summer; revenge. Ken Dorsey didn’t use that word – though Jon Vilma, Andre Johnson, Ed Reed and others did. Beat Ohio State, because we can’t.

Last time Miami wanted one this badly, it made for the loudest and rowdiest night in Orange Bowl history; November 25th, 1989 – when the Canes waxed No. 1 Notre Dame, 27-10 in another revenge-fueled game. Miami had one stolen in South Bend the previous year – a phantom fumble that made Terry Porter’s call laughable, paving the way to the Irish’s first title in a decade.

Revenge when properly channeled is a fine motivator. Randy may tell the media this is another game, but as a fierce competitor and life-long Cane, he wants this one and his team knows it. Same way this entire program realizes this is a statement game in year four; the season the tide is expected to turn.

Ohio State is downplaying the ‘revenge’ angle – and they should as they didn’t get screwed seven years ago. Easy to tell someone to get over it when the lucky bounce went your way.

The Buckeyes don’t want to acknowledge Miami’s rallying cry because they simply don’t get it. This truly is a Canes thing and Miami as a program is on an island alone. Over the years, sports nation agreed that it was a piss-poor call – but it was a fleeting thought.

Unless you bleed orange and green you haven’t lived with it day in and day out as a diehard. The reminders have been everywhere over the years – whether it’s another “Worst Calls”- or “Biggest Heartbreaks”-type poll or seeing Ohio State roll on as if nothing happened, Miami – as a program and a city – has lived with this pain for the better part of a decade.

The Canes are hungry and across the line this Saturday, the guys who took their last scrap of food. Maybe not literally, but figuratively. Same uniforms. Same type of player. Same smug fan base.

This current squad wants it for themselves, but also for the ghosts of Hurricanes past. They have a crack at knocking out the little brother whose big brother worked over their big brother. Someone disrespects or hurts your loved one, you want revenge. Doesn’t matter if it was seven years ago or seven minutes ago. That fire still burns within.

I’ll save the Xs and Os for the supposed guru’s this weekend. All the guys who will tell you that Harris has to cut down on interceptions, that the game is won in the trenches and that the super-sized crowd will be in Miami’s collective ear all day.

News flash; both teams have athletes, both need the win and both coaching staffs know what’s on the line. The Horseshoe will be rocking, but the biggest stadium in the world can be hushed when the other guys push back and I expect Miami to do just that. After three-plus years of rebuilding and seven years of harboring resentment, this program is overdue for a big moment.

Revenge is the intangible this weekend. Ohio State is dismissing it, while flat out underestimating Miami. Rather ironic coming from a fan base who saw first-hand what overconfidence and overlooking meant for the ’02 Canes who weren’t expecting such a fight from those ’02 Buckeyes.

Win or lose, the Canes are coming to play and aren’t in Columbus to roll over. This is a proud program with a proven track record. Especially when disrespected. Backed into a corner, the Canes oft come out swinging. Miami is more than ready for this fight and Ohio State better fully understand.

No darts-at-a-board score prediction forthcoming, but as a long-time follower and enthusiast of Miami football, I believe somehow, someway the Canes find a way.

That talent is there, though the depth fully isn’t. It’ll take this squad stepping up across the board and entering year four of this rebuild, it’s time UM gets that signature win — the intangible being the hate for all things Ohio State.
Canes are due.

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44 thoughts on “Miami at Ohio State … long time coming

  1. Why is it that no one ever accounts for the call ruling Chris Gamble out of bounds in the 4th qtr with 1.49 left on the clock.

    The replay clearly showed Gamble in bounds yet we ended up having to kick the ball away, allowing Miami to tie the game and take it into overtime. Had the referees made a good call on that catch, there would have been no overtime because OSU would have ran the clock out.

    Lets face it, the game was poorly called. Lets not talk about every play where miamis O line held OSUs Defensive Ends.

    In all fairness, if OSU had lost that game seven years ago we would probably be crying about that bad call so I can't blame you too much.

    At the end of the day not scoring a touchdown when you have 1st and goal from the 1 yard line will kill a win faster than a bad call.

    Personally, I think OSU will stomp your team this year, but next year in Miami could be a different story, Terrelle Pryor or not.

    Great blog post. You reached the top of the google news search under Ohio State. Keep up the good work.

  2. The replay clearly showed Gamble in bounds yet we ended up having to kick the ball away, allowing Miami to tie the game and take it into overtime. Had the referees made a good call on that catch, there would have been no overtime because OSU would have ran the clock out.

    No offense, man but we've heard that argument ad nauseam over the years.

    There were a TON of no calls in the game — starting out the gate when Will Smith late hit Dorsey on the first drive.

    Refs were letting the kids play the whole game – until Porter threw the late flag, which was inconsistent with how the game was being called.

    You don't KNOW that if Ohio State got the first down that Miami wouldn't have seen the ball again. Fumbles on snaps occur. Things happen. You're speculating as a biased fan.

    Had Porter NOT thrown that bullshit flag three seconds after the fact, we DO KNOW that the game was over. 24-17, in the books. Fin.

    You can talk all day about not scoring from the one – but you still miss the point. How many times should a team HAVE to win a game? Miami overcame five turnovers and a poorly played game and STILL WON in the first OT — after losing their Heisman-worthy running back early in the fourth quarter.

    Porter made Miami try to win it twice and they couldn't. Defense stayed on the field for another OSU possession, couldn't hold and the offense couldn't bounce back — but again, never should've had to. Dorsey to Winslow for the lead and Sharpe stopped Gamble. Period.

    Appreciate the commentary, but you didn't state anything I haven't debated with your fan base the past seven years.

  3. Having been at the game, and watched our win, only to have it snatched away, I too have never been able to bring myself to watch it again, although I still have it on TiVo. The reality is, you will never win a game by leaving it to the refs to call, you have to bring it all and leave it on the field, and we were far better players who should not have been in the position where a bad call makes or breaks the game. I watched OSU last week, since ESPN3 online is terrible, and I will say I still see the same dirty shots after the play, and the refs really let so much go, I was worried it might get out of hand. Let's hope our boys jump up after each play and away, so it's clear who needs the dirty tactics.

  4. We're ready. Seven years coming, time for retribution. Love the article and ready to get this party started. Go canes, win this one for the fam.

  5. Best f$%king article I've read on the game.

    Great job, Canes.

    Hope our guys deliver

    I agree. Talk is cheap. Lets get it on!!
    Go big or go home Go Canes

    oh yeah what is a buckeye?

  6. This article has me PUMPED! I remember back in the day that when a Canes team felt disrespected or underestimated by another team, they would come out with a take-no-prisoners guns blazing type of attitude. Those were the real Miami players. Coker got away from recruiting those type of guys. Randy knew better, and now this group of Canes reminds me of those old-school Canes more than any of the previous squads from the past few seasons. This is OUR moment. This is OUR time. Watch out Ohio, the Canes are coming!

  7. I have never been able to watch the game again. I can't even look at still photos from it. I am hoping with all my heart that Miami goes Greek revenge-tragedy all over OSU.

    Feed the Horseshoe its children.

  8. Buckeye fans should not be talking about 2002 on these forums. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING we can say or do that will make Canes fans feel any differently about that game.

    For the record, I AGREE that the PI in 1OT was a bad call…that game was full of bad calls and non-calls. That's football, sh*t happens and you either overcome or you don't. I argued this point for a good year after that game to no avail.

    Look, for whatever reason, Canes fans choose to keep this wound open. Bucks got smoked in 2 title games and the shadenfreude wasn't enough. Canes could win 50-0 this year and 100-0 next year and it won't be enough. Bucks team plane could go down in flames a la Marshall 1970 and it STILL won't be enough.

    I've long ago given up trying to defend, retort, or make a case for 2002 because it's utterly futile. Instead, I choose to live in 2010. I'm hoping for another classic game with high entertainment value, and my hat will go off to whomever wins.

    -Colorado Buckeye

  9. It sure is funny how if you bring up the other missed calls it doesn't matter but this one wow of the hook. C'mon man, If you look at the replay, there were two fouls, Portor signaled holding at first, then changed it to pass interference so regardless of the penalty, the results stay the same. The Better team won that day and the better team will win tomorrow. Go buckeyes, beat those Cyaimi boys.

  10. OH MY FREAKING GOD! I just about strapped on a helmet and ran through my wall after I read this! What an article! I've never read anything or watched anything that hit on every emotion Ive had for the past 7 years! Just about the same intensity as when I watched "The U", but more intense because the memories are more recent, and seeing those smug faces telling us to "get over it" and calling us "cryami" has just made it burn. Cant wait for tomorrow!

  11. It sure is funny how if you bring up the other missed calls it doesn't matter but this one wow of the hook. C'mon man, If you look at the replay, there were two fouls, Portor signaled holding at first, then changed it to pass interference so regardless of the penalty, the results stay the same.

    Says you there were "two fouls". Only folks in Columbus agree. The rest of the planet saw this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc&p=DD47FB221EFC3F83&playnext=1&index=7

    Again, who gives a shit? Like your brethren mentioned above, why the f do you yahoos continue looking for validation around UM sites? Take your title and scram.

    You want to know why the debate goes on? Because there are more fans like you and less like Colorado Buckeye. Big mouths with their "cryami" bullshit – acting like a bunch of seven year olds.

    Colorado admits (1) it was a bad call, (2) that there were missed calls all game, (3) that Miami fans will never get over it and (4) that Ohio State fans need to quit wasting their time trying to convince otherwise.

    You should follow his lead instead of regurgitating the same shit UM fans have had to listen to from your contingent for seven years now. You're selling and we're not buying.

    Again, a Miami board and our opinion … so if you disagree, disappear bro.

  12. So funny how Ohio State tools just say "get over it", like it was a bad meal or a delayed flight.

    You idiots are one of the worst fan bases in sports. You burned LeBron James jerseys in the street because he was a FREE AGENT and went elsewhere, yet UM should get over an injustice that ended a 34-game win streak and ruined a bid at back-to-back titles.

    Nice double standard inbred idiots.

  13. Hey, let's keep the AllCanes board clean and family friendly – no need to be cussing guys.

    I have waited for this game for 7 years and to say I am looking forward to tomorrow would be the understatement of the year. I have been getting more and more fired up reading all of the articles in the papers this week. About how Gamble and Jenkins both admitted there was no pass interference. About how all the NFL Canes urged the team to win this one. About how current players like Olivier Vernon want to win this one for their older Green and Orange brothers.

    There is no other team in all of sports like the Hurricane Family. Players, Fans, Coaches. A triangle of love, support, and determination. An expectation of excellence.

    We got one stolen from us by a bad call and now its time to right a wrong. For the players who wore the U in 2002. For the fans who bleed Green and Orange. For the city of Miami.

    I think Quadtrine Hill summed it up best. He was asked if the Hurricanes win Saturday, would it make the players from 2002 feel better about a national title lost almost a decade ago?

    His response?

    "It definitely would," former running back Quadtrine Hill said. "You come messing with the 'Canes, it's a lifelong grudge."

    Ohio State messed with the wrong Team, and they are about to find that out Saturday.

    Let's Go Canes!!!

  14. Allcanes.com:

    When chris gamble caught the ball in bounds with 2:00 minutes to go in the game, it wasn't the refs not making a call (as you put it, "no call"), it was the officials blowing a call that would have let Ohio State win it in regulation. Then we wouldn't have to hear your stubborn and narrow-minded whining and faux indignation.

    You overlook that though because you and these others people who haven't re-watched the game but think they can act as authorities on what "should have" happened, want to cry and cry and cry.

    When you reference no calls all game you must be talking about the hold on gamble before he caught it in bounds… I'm not arguing that – who cares about that. The fact is the ball was caught in bounds and you should never have got the chance to cry so much. But no… now all we hear about was how you were robbed and how your vagina hurts so badly.

    So no, to everyone here that thinks there was an injustice you need to stop crying, understand the team that should have won did, and that you aren't special, at all…

    and someone called Ohio State fans "inbreds"… you have to be kidding me. That's the wrong state, but you probably think Ohio and Michigan are filled with "little cities" that have nice traditions like Shannon does. Apparently forgetting Ohio and Michigan's cities (detroit, cleveland, cincinnati, columbus, toledo, dayton, akron et al) have been relevant for about a century more than Florida… Whatever though, it's a bunch of people crying and throwing ignorant remarks around – that's that.

  15. Bottom line…OSU is in possession of STOLEN PROPERTY!

    The ref STOLE the SIXTH NC RING FROM UM and SIMPLY HANDED IT OVER OSU period. ANYTHING ELSE IS PURE BUCK-/HOG-WASH!

    IT'S HIGH TIME FOR JUSTICE — LET'S GO CANES!!!

  16. I was surprised to see the mistakes on offense. The D was put in too many bad situations, with what they had to deal with I do feel good about how the D responded but Damn, I believe the canes beat themselves this time around.

  17. With all due respect all canes, after what the acc showed today, it is acc or bust.

    Today was a combination of a better team beating us at home, and us beating ourselves.

    I keep my eye on the big picture. Despite our serious problems ( I won't go in depth about them, pretty obvious what they were) I remain fairly optimistic. We made it a game, I just take a look at fsu and va tech and realize that was us not so long ago, and we've made strides. I also take next year into account. Year 5 is when I really feel we begin to take our place among the elite or at least on the bubble. Patience is necessary.

    This was by far our toughest game of the year and I expect the mistakes if not rectified, at least improved upon. It is early in the season so you can attribute some of the sloppiness to that. Like I said before, no other game will come close in level of difficulty. That should also equal less mistakes.

    Keeping my eye on the big picture but my leash will get shorter and shorter on the players and the coaches if we don't improve as the season progresses.

    No excuses The acc is ripe for the picking, especially after this week.

    ACC or bust allcanes, not saying a bcs victory or a top 10 ranking, but a conference title. That is the bottom line.

    To say otherwise would be stubborn and I personally love your blog. I know from what I've read you're not the type to maintain your points simply out of stubborness. You would be flexible enough when the circumstances change to admit otherwise. (for example, unc violations, va tech imploding, an fsu in transition, ga tech a mediocre acc champion.)

    You could say no, what if j12 goes down or something along those lines takes place. Wouldn't such a thing nullify the whole 'bust' mentality?

    Obviously such a thing would be taken into account in final evaluations.

    Otherwise I'll say it again.

    ACC or Bust.

    Let's go get it.

  18. I have had concerns about Randy Shannon as the head coach.

    I no longer see him as the problem.

    Time outs were not wasted. How long since we've seen that?

    The OL was much better than I thought it would be.

    Aside from some missed tackles, I saw only one real concern that I wasn't really seeing before.

    I'm concerned about #12 more than anything else. Is he able to do this?

    Glimpses of greatness is not enough. You don't ever know which Jacory is going to show up.

    While a couple of his picks were not his fault, the others were completely unacceptable.

    His picks were the reason this game was lost.

    This absolutely could have, and should have been a decisive win.

  19. Well, where do we start? It is just a game, right? and it is usually stupid try to get too much out of one game. We lost to a better team yesterday, and that is all.

    Like many other 12ers, I’ve been concerning this team’s capability to win big, especially based on the way we loss to UNC and Wisconsin last season. If there is anything we learned yesterday, it is unfortunately that we did not learn much from those terrible losses. Losing such an important game in such a stupid way is really painful. We committed so many repeating mistakes: INTs, miss tackles, drops, and penalties. Are we too nervous because there is so much on the line? I don’t know.

    But this is really not the right time to blame the coaches/players. This is the time our team needs our support the most. At the end of the day, I hope the team realizes that this is not the end of the world. We just lost a game, or a good opportunity to regain respect the U used to have. While a straightforward way to gain respect is to win a big game; sometimes you also win by how you bounce back from a big lose. And that is exactly what we need NOW!

    ACC or bust? I just don't get why we still care about ACC? Entering the season, we were facing 6 ranked teams, looks now none of the rest 5 will remain ranked if they keep playing like this. The only thing we should care through a season is to win the next game!

  20. Shannon must go. This program has been mired in mediocrity for over seven years now and I'm sick of it! These kids shouldn't be making all of these stupid mistakes AGAIN this year! Also, I think Jacory Harris is not physically capable of being a good QB anymore. That bad thumb is a cronic problem and he shouldn't be playing.

  21. And Buckeyes wonder why they're hated. Fans that are chiming in saying it could've been 55-10 and what not. Can you inbred morons read the stats?

    Miami 19 first downs. Ohio State, 21.

    Miami 7-15 on third down. Ohio State, 6-18.

    352 total yards for Miami. 414 for Ohio State.

    Harris, 232 passing yards. Pryor had 233.

    Miami rushed for 120. Ohio State had 181.

    Ohio State penalized twice. Miami was dinged 8 times.

    Ohio State never turned it over. Miami GAVE four away.

    Time of possession 28:49 for Miami and 31:11 for Ohio State.

    You idiots again think you ROLLED Miami, but you didn't. Harris pissed one away like he did at North Carolina last year. First pick FALLS into Ohio State hands. Next two are off Travis Benjamin, once for not being ready and another for not reeling it in.

    Harris to Heyward was a freakin gift and a 14-point swing. Miami should've made if 26-24 right there and instead it goes to 33-17 and game is quickly slipping away.

    Y'all got lucky that Miami self-imploded. Period. Went into to your sorry house and went toe to toe with your sorry ass team until our quarterback gave it away and not because you rattled him but because he simply choked. Again.

    Enjoy the win but you're losing to Wisconsin and or Iowa, if not another along the way. You're average at best and the Canes beat themselves.

  22. Dear "Anonymous" who just blabbed about Miami giving the game away and Ohio State fans being imbreds,

    You need a reality check my friend. To imply that UM simply "gave" the game away is the most gutless, irrational response that only typical frontrunning, fair-weathered Canes fans would dream up. Can you give OSU some credit for being in position and making plays on those interceptions? How many passes hit Miami defenders in the hands that they dropped because they couldn't make a play? Two of those picks may have been handed to OSU, but the 1st pick of the game as a result of a tipped pass by an OSU safety who was well positioned. The 4th pick was a great play by Cameron Heyward. Am I wrong?

    And don't act like you can just erase 4 turnovers from a game and pretend Miami suddenly just wins. How about we just pretend those two jailbreak special teams returns didn't happen? Considering that's the first time that's ever happened to OSU in their history, I'd say it's a lot more flukey than your QB hurling 4 ints (something he did last year mind you..). If not for those returns, Miami is down 4 touchdowns at the half and Pryor is sitting on the sideline for the 4th quarter…

    Ohio State was the better team, didn't make mistakes, and was better prepared. Honestly…how is one of your best receivers still blocking on a pass play when you have all summer and 10 days before this game to prepare? Miami is still a good team, but don't have sour grapes. Give some credit where credit is due. Oh and Cameron Heyward>Allen Bailey.

  23. Well, "could/should have" means nothing. Being close only means we did not get it. There are many plays in a game, but what matters is a few key ones that determined the difference between W and L. If you could take one key bad play away, we could/should have win VT, Clemson, UNC, and play and win a NC …

    We never had the game, period. Yardage, completion, possession mean nothing. Throughout the game, our D plays decent (6 field goal attempts). But their QB can do pretty much whatever he want. He throw a TD, run one, and run/throw a few key conversion … On the other side, our OC has no plan, I don't even remember how we get those yard on ground. The passing is horrible, of course, when you have 4 pics.

    But if you want a single reason. It is that we have NO FIRE, NO LEADER for this game. When J12 throw a stupid pick, couch/player should have slapped his helmet and yelled "what the !@#$ you're doing" to wake him up, instead I see everyone pad him on shoulder.

    But As I said. This game has gone. It is time to move on see if we could bounce back. There are still plenty of game …

  24. LMAO ….

    Face it canes, The OSU doesn't muck it up on special teams d, and this games a blowout. However, we did, and you still couldn't get it done. Jacory gifted us two, but ifs and buts must be part of "swagger" cause its all I ever hear from you whiners. I hope you guys win the acc though, that way you get all pumped for next year, and the fail is just as juicy. Hope fully Tress doesnt show mercy next time within 10 yards. The U ? Bwahahaha.

  25. I love the knee jerk reactions and the moron Shannon haters.

    As the last guy pointed out, with all the penalties and turnovers this team still only lost by 12 to the number 2 team in the nation ON THE ROAD. That performance Saturday is good enough to beat every other team we will play this season. NOT saying thats what id expect from this team, i mean i swear if i see one more holding call im gonna throw my remote through my tv screen, but even with all the miscues, Miami was never out of that game.

    Im not at all worried. Im not worried about Jacory, im not worried about Shannon, im not worried about anything. Miami is the jewel of the ACC and will prove that going forward. Had ANY other ACC team played the way we did against OSU, the score would of been in the 70's, but we were able to keep the disparity to 12.

    Bring on Pitt.

  26. "And Buckeyes wonder why they're hated. Fans that are chiming in saying it could've been 55-10 and what not."

    OSU fans are taking off your two special teams touchdowns and converting most of our five FGs into TDs. It's the same game you are playing with your theory that if Harris didn't have 4 INTs you win and that those INTs had nothing to do with OSU defenders going to where the ball was going and hanging on to the interceptions. But without the 4 INTs you might have won.

    But you had 4 INTs and we had 5 FGs that weren't touchdowns and we blew our special teams coverage and you got two TDs that way and the score ended up being 36-24.

    I will say if your D let us have TDs instead of FGs, I doubt that Tressel would have kept the first teamers in if we were up by more than 3 TDs in the fourth quarter and we wouldn't get to that big of a win anyhow.

  27. You lost by 20 Canes.

    Terrelle took a knee on the goal line.

    This was a beat down.

    The Canes are not back.

    "Maybe next year"…should the motto of the U.

  28. You won by 12 Buckeyes.

    Jacory gave you the game. He also threw for one less yard than your beloved, overrated Terrelle.

    Check the stats as this game was evenly matched everywhere but turnover ratio, you moron.

    The Canes came into your 'intimidating' stadium and hung with your team all day. Turnovers were the difference. You didn't push anyone around or own the trenches like you thought you would, per the Wisconsin game.

    For all your success you have one title this decade and it was gift wrapped by an idiot referee and a dumb old man coach who didn't bring a game plan to the desert.

    Oh yeah and at day's end you still woke up today in Ohio. My condolences.

  29. Dennis, appreciate your attempt to make sense of this but you're still off base. You write:

    "OSU fans are taking off your two special teams touchdowns and converting most of our five FGs into TDs. It's the same game you are playing with your theory that if Harris didn't have 4 INTs you win and that those INTs had nothing to do with OSU defenders going to where the ball was going and hanging on to the interceptions. But without the 4 INTs you might have won.

    But you had 4 INTs and we had 5 FGs that weren't touchdowns and we blew our special teams coverage and you got two TDs that way and the score ended up being 36-24."

    There's a big difference between and entire defense tightening up in the red zone and holding an offense with a Heisman candidate quarterback to field goals as opposed to the quarterback on another team (one lone guy) making a few braindead plays and hurting his entire time.

    Several times Jacory Harris turned it over on a short field and the defense still tightened up and held you guys out of the end zone in your house, which wasn't nearly as intimidating as you all sell it to be.

  30. I love how these Ohio State mongoloids keep talking about Terrelle taking a knee on that final drive, as if he was such a threat any other time in the red zone.

    Miami held you idiots to five field goals with your all world, superman, Heisman slurping quarterback. Yawn.

    You're lucky Jacory has as pass happy coordinator, which is why he wrongly sent four errant passes the other way. Those were gifts. Say "thank you" and move on.

    Your team is pretty good, but certainly isn't #2 in the country. Iowa. Wisconsin. Heck, even Michigan. You're losing between 1-2 games this year easily. Y'all ain't all that.

  31. I can only assume the above comment is from some OSU troll, but I'll respond anyways.

    We're about as happy to lose by 12, on the road against #2 in the country as you losers were to fall by 8 to a Purdue team that was 1-5 when they upset you tools last year.

    Welcome to college football. You don't win every game and occasionally lose when you had a chance to win.

    Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, you'll get yours this year. Just you wait and see, ladies.

  32. There's a big difference between and entire defense tightening up in the red zone and holding an offense with a Heisman candidate quarterback to field goals as opposed to the quarterback on another team (one lone guy) making a few braindead plays and hurting his entire time.

    I guess it is a matter of perspective.

    I will agree with you that Miami's D did a nice job of holding us to three. I didn't mean to dismiss them. But on almost all of those, there is a could/whoulda/shoulda that might have made it a TD. However, they didn't, and Miami's D was more responsible for that than random chance.

    I don't think it just Harris to blame for his INTs. Two of the four were fairly easy interceptions, Chekwa's first when Benjamin thought it was run and Cam Heyward's. The other two were a heads up play by Chekwa and a nice delection and a large helping of luck (depending on your POV good or bad.)

    Rewatched most of the game last night. Pryor should have had at least two INTs. Your guys couldn't hold on to them.

    And you executed well on the Kick returns. We had a couple that (here comes that word again) coulda have went to the house, but they didn't.

    My point is my brethern are theoretically right, we might have scored more or not given up more if a few things were different. You guys are right that it could have been even closer or you might have won if one or more of your INTs never happened. But the reality is we won by 12 and in the end, the final score is what is put in the books, not what might have happened.

    The other problem with saying if this one play was different, you are assuming nothing else changes after that which is unlikely.

    I just wish folks could agree to disagree without us being rabid sore winners and you guys being petulant sore losers.

    I love that I can talk to folks from other fanbases. I am disappointed when the vocal minority of my fellow Buckeyes act like jackasses on someone else's board and even worse when visiting fans are mistreated. I was very happy to see Phil de Montmollin had a good visit and enjoyed himself.

  33. My point is my brethern are theoretically right, we might have scored more or not given up more if a few things were different. You guys are right that it could have been even closer or you might have won if one or more of your INTs never happened. But the reality is we won by 12 and in the end, the final score is what is put in the books, not what might have happened.

    Dennis, appreciate the logic and if there were more Ohio State folk like yourself (re: logical and respectful), there'd be less bickering between the fan bases. Instead it's usually some caveman, meathead, "arrgh, we kicked your ass Cryami .. arrrgh you suck".

    My brother and a few friends were at the game this past weekend. One was kicked in the chest by an OSU idiot (when trying to enter an elevator) and when all four of them were walking to the stadium, were showered with f-bombs and told to "get a green card". (My bro and his three friends are as anglo as the day is long.)

    To your point, both sides play the "what if" game but what you guys don't take into consideration is momentum. Had Miami made it 26-24 how would the Buckeyes have reacted? Would the Canes have fed off the comeback energy?

    Again, we'll never know. Just seems all the "what if" talk lately has been about Miami getting "lucky" with the special teams play, with Harris being harassed all day and talk that is could've been "so much worse" but OSU kneeled it out (again, giving no credit for UM's red zone defense all day).

    Is what it is. In the books and moving forward. OSU will arguably be the best team UM faces all year and the Canes were in it and went toe-to-toe talent-wise. Simply had too many turnovers to win a big game on the road.

  34. My point is my brethern are theoretically right, we might have scored more or not given up more if a few things were different. You guys are right that it could have been even closer or you might have won if one or more of your INTs never happened. But the reality is we won by 12 and in the end, the final score is what is put in the books, not what might have happened.

    Dennis, appreciate the logic and if there were more Ohio State folk like yourself (re: logical and respectful), there'd be less bickering between the fan bases. Instead it's usually some caveman, meathead, "arrgh, we kicked your ass Cryami .. arrrgh you suck".

    My brother and a few friends were at the game this past weekend. One was kicked in the chest by an OSU idiot (when trying to enter an elevator) and when all four of them were walking to the stadium, were showered with f-bombs and told to "get a green card". (My bro and his three friends are as anglo as the day is long.)

    To your point, both sides play the "what if" game but what you guys don't take into consideration is momentum. Had Miami made it 26-24 how would the Buckeyes have reacted? Would the Canes have fed off the comeback energy?

    Again, we'll never know. Just seems all the "what if" talk lately has been about Miami getting "lucky" with the special teams play, with Harris being harassed all day and talk that is could've been "so much worse" but OSU kneeled it out (again, giving no credit for UM's red zone defense all day).

    Is what it is. In the books and moving forward. OSU will arguably be the best team UM faces all year and the Canes were in it and went toe-to-toe talent-wise. Simply had too many turnovers to win a big game on the road.

  35. Anyone who was really watching this game will clearly see that OSU did NOT win this game, Miami simply lost the game, handing the win over to OSU — a gift from The U!

    Just like Miami's 6th NC ring that was stolen and given to OSU by the ref — OSU in possession of STOLEN PROPERTY — we will NEVER forget!

    No doubt, OSU's lucky streak against Miami will certainly come to an end!

    When all is said and done, THE U STILL HAS FIVE — 1-2-3-4-5 — NC RINGS!!!

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