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Over the course of the summer, Canes305 and The Beast will be answering your questions regarding some of the hottest topics surrounding Hurricane Nation. The latest question comes from Jack in West Palm Beach:

“Miami had the top-ranked class in 2008. What are your thoughts on some of those seniors who seemed to underachieve these past few years? What didn’t they pan out and at the end of the day who is to blame? Also, was it wrong to take so many guys from one program? Was there a sense of entitlement with some of those Northwestern Bulls having just won the MNC?”

The Beast : In retrospect maybe taking so many guys from one school was a bad idea, but you have to remember that in 2008, Northwestern was the all-everything, consensus number one high school in the nation. Randy Shannon wanted kids from winning programs – kids who came from a culture of winning and understood what it took to be successful. It’s easy to look back and say it was a bad idea now, but I don’t recall too many folks at the time who were upset about the move. Now, looking at the playing career of those guys, that’s a different story.

The clear success stories are Brandon Washington and Sean Spence. These two guys have received more than their fair share of preseason accolades and I think they will both be leaders and impact players on this year’s team.

You have a few guys that have shown flashes, but need to do it consistently. I’d put Jacory Harris and Marcus Forston in that category.

J12 showed promise as a freshman, backing starter Robert Marve, and when the job was his as a sophomore it seemed like he was destined for great things. From the halfway point of his sophomore year through his junior season, interceptions plagued Harris – right up through December’s bowl game.

Forston looked like he was on his way to a really solid career as a freshman, was sidelined by injury year two and played pretty good year three, but is still looking for his breakout season. I expect big things from No. 99 this year.

Aldarius Johnson carries the nickname ‘glue hands’ and was expected to be an impact player, but hasn’t been the guy we’ve expected. As a freshman there were 31 catches and three touchdowns. Over the past two years, 31 more grabs and only one score.

In the category of “just hasn’t done much here” are guys like Tommy Streeter, Ben Jones and Kendall Thompkins. Streeter and Thompkins have ten catches between them and neither have consistently found their way on the field, while Jones has played a mere seven games in his career.

I don’t think the reasons for some of these Northwestern guys failures are any different than why the rest of the team has struggled the past few seasons. Whatever methods Coach Shannon and his staff were using the past four years simply didn’t work.

There have been a few standouts – guys like Leonard Hankerson or Brandon Harris – but the success stories have been dwarfed by tales of guys who haven’t lived up to expectations.

I still think the recruitment of the Northwestern Eight was a sound decision. I just don’t think those guys were give the tools – or coaching – to prosper. Let’s hope Al Golden and staff can get the most out of these guys this season.

Canes305 : I don’t have issues with Shannon taking eight guys from one class. What I do question is the reasoning, though. I’d have loved to been a fly on the wall in that ‘war room’ for that first full recruiting haul.

What was the motivation behind reeling in eight kids from the same program? Was it just a simple mindset that these kids all played for a championship program, so they all would be good, had tremendous work ethic, knew how to play like a team, etc.

Was it laziness? There was already a relationship with Northwestern head coach Billy Rolle, so just haul in about a third of your recruiting class without having to break a sweat – and succeed or fail, it could be justified due to the program’s success.

It’s very easy to play the hindsight game now, but I do recall having a conversation when this class was inked and seeing two then off-the-record negatives with this Northwestern haul. First was the notion of attitude, ego and creating an instant clique with kids who played together and won together. Would they feel they were better than the rest and would they form their own little them-against-the-rest team? (No, they didn’t, thankfully.)

Second, was a simple ‘law of averages’ argument. If you take eight kids from one program, odds are that a good bunch of them won’t pan out. You’re lucky if you get a few studs (Washington, Spence), a few late bloomers (Harris, Forston) and a few that don’t live up to the hype (Johnson, Streeter, Thompkins and Jones).

Unfortunately this did turn out the be the case.

Beast touched on the obvious coaching and lack-of-development issue we saw over the past few years and that’s something that always bums me out as it’s nothing more than a timing thing.

Some kids graduate high school and get on board with ‘The U’ when the program is on a roll and others show up when things are rocky. That’s the difference between a Gino Torretta and a Ryan Clement or a Ken Dorsey and a Kyle Wright. Would Torretta and Dorsey have thrived in the mid-90s or mid-00s? Would highly-touted guys like Clement and Wright found greater success had they shown up earlier or later, with a better supporting cast and coaching staff?

When you look back at that 2008 class, it really wasn’t as good as advertised, which is often the case in college football. You’re rolling the dice on high school kids, their ability to learn and their desire to work hard, living up to mythical star rankings on the Intrawebs.

Shannon and staff signed thirty-three kids year one and outside of the Northwestern kids, some standouts still involved and contributing – Travis Benjamin, Ramon Buchanan, LaRon Byrd, Jordan Futch, Jeremy Lewis, Micanor Regis, Marcus Robinson, Andrew Smith and Vaughn Telemaque – all of which you can say are yet to reach their full potential.

But what about those who didn’t pan out? Guys who either haven’t stepped up or those who flat out bailed on the program? For a head coach who was supposedly recruiting character guys, there have been a fair share of guys who simply weren’t Miami material – Arthur Brown, Thearon Collier, Taylor Cook, Antonio Harper, Zach Kane, Brandon Marti, C.J. Odom, Cannon Smith and Joe Wylie – all at one point part of the ’08 class, come to mind.

When you put it all under a microscope, the issue really wasn’t eight kids from Northwestern as much as it was a coaching staff that truly didn’t have what it took to recruit and develop kids properly. All the aforementioned kids had potential and many were highly-touted when they chose Miami over a slew of schools. Problem is once they got on campus they weren’t brought along as they should’ve been and only those with a good head on their shoulders, a strong work ethic and superior physical talent were able to overcome the roadblocks laid down by the previous staff.

As excited as I personally for the the Golden era to kick off and for this new regime at ‘The U’, my favorite subplot this year will be watching the Northwestern guys, as well as others from that 2008 class who are now seniors (or juniors, if they redshirted). What can Golden, Jedd Fisch, Mark D’Onofrio and other position coaches do year one? Can old habits be broken and kids be properly motivated?

As discussed in a recent Q&A, there are a lot of guys in the same boat as J12. Talented kids with one last shot to right the ship if they want to play on Sundays. Guys who have underachieved and failed to reach their potential – but guys that have one last shot to get it right – which can make for a happy ending and some feel-good stories.

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C. Bello

Longtime Miami Hurricanes columnist. Wrote for CanesTime.com, Yahoo! Sports and former BleacherReport featured columnist. Founder of allCanesBlog.com no longer toeing any company line. Launched ItsAUThing.com to deliver a raw, unfiltered and authentic perspective of all things "The U".

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  • Taking 8 guys in a class from one program may or may not be a good thing. If they all panned out, we'd be saying it was fine. I just think any 8 players, from the same school or not, are a crap-shoot. Recuiting isn't a science and nobody really knows what's in a prospect's heart and soul, and how he will translate to the next level both on and off the field. If each of the Bulls was deserving of receiving an offer from Miami, then I have no issue with it. After all, the class was rated #1 by most scribes. It's where they go from there that is the issue.

    Remember when Sam Shields was drafted, and his position coach said he didn't even know how to watch film properly? THAT should have been and should still remain, a red flag to all Cane fans. That is a coaching issue and better not be, under the current regime, or we're in for more of the same mediocrity. I think the lack of player development has really been an issue since Butch left. How are several guys more successful in the NFL than at The U? In my opinion, it's the coaching and lack of proper game-planning.

    Columbus Cane

  • The biggest thing that sticks out to me from 2008 was the local media covering this recruiting class. Randy was praised unrelentingly for bringing in this class and the spin was that he was getting players from winning programs in an attempt to bring back that winning attitude. That's exactly why he brought in 8 guys from Northwestern, so it seems silly to question that decision now.

    The media is spinning Golden's recruiting in a "do no wrong" light, just as they did with Randy's big class. So it's difficult to buy into this Golden hype. And I heard all of that splendor about Whipple and the wonders he'd do for Jacory, so the assistant coach hype machine is equally as moot. But I guess I'm just burned from Randy's failures and departure. Oh well.

    Sorry for the rant, I just really want the season to start.

  • The media is spinning Golden's recruiting in a "do no wrong" light, just as they did with Randy's big class. So it's difficult to buy into this Golden hype. And I heard all of that splendor about Whipple and the wonders he'd do for Jacory, so the assistant coach hype machine is equally as moot. But I guess I'm just burned from Randy's failures and departure.

    ... Danton, you're not alone in being burned by Shannon's failures. I think that's pretty common.

    If you want to take the 'wait and see' approach with Al Golden, no one will fault you - but do know this - you're comparing a guy with proven head coaching experience to one who failed in his first stint.

    You're talking about a guy who took a 3-31 program and went 9-4 and 8-4 his final two seasons there, taking them to their third bowl in school history and first in three decades.

    You're also talking about a guy who found a way to lure some talented kids to a doormat of a program in Philadelphia, turning six of them into NFL talent --and OVERACHIEVERS - instead of underachievers, which was the case with Randy.

    As for Mark Whipple, many HOPED he'd help Jacory Harris, but the OC wanted a strong-armed kid to chuck it downfield every play and when he didn't have that guy, he seemed to shut down his tutelage of Harris. Is what it is and thankfully that door is shut.

    We don't know what Fisch will bring to the table as the new OC, but he's highly regarded in the NFL coaching community as an up and comer, as opposed to a guy like Whipple, who was on the downside of his career arc.

    As for D'Onofrio, like Golden, a former team captain under Joe Paterno and a guy who looks to have some piss and vinegar in his veins, which is something this program has lacked for years.

  • Allcanes,
    I'm not ready to write any of these guys off yet as success or failure. though i will agree with both of you and beast that spence and washington have been the bright stars of the northwestern 8. Now i agree with the previous posts in blaming the coaching for the lack of developement with these kids. Whipple stopped coaching harris mid way through the sophomore season. He threw thompkins and streeter into this dog house and never let them out. See sam shields for that one. he had to switch sides of the ball to get out.
    I am gonna wait and see and at the end of this season i will tell you how i feel about the seniors from this class. I still think harris will have a great year for us as the starter. i still think johnson streeter and thompkins will make a huge impact on our receiving game. I don't think golden will stand for captain drops tb3 to continually drop sure passes. So i think we could see him moved to a purely return game and used as a fourth or fifth in the rotation receiver.
    Forston will be a beast this year. He will win some hardware at the end of the season if he stays healthy this year and that is a fact.
    ben jones well i'll wait and see on him.
    Washington and spence also will win some hardware this year.
    I believe if this team can get through maryland cheater state and kstate undefeated this team could be poised for that undefeated season we all thought was coming when this class was signed.
    I expect to see the most disciplined team we have seen since butch and the 01 champs. Playin out of position wont be tolerated this year you can clearly see that in goldens words.
    GO CANES
    Idaho Cane

  • Hang it up on Ben Jones, nothing to see there.

    Aldarius Johnson is so far down the depth chart he's about to let several true freshman get more playing time than he is, bank on that.

    Jacory? LOL. If he can be broken of ignorant habit, then he may make something of himself, if not..look for much much more of the same. Which has been hanging receivers out to dry, poor decision making, locking on and broadcasting where the ball is gonna go..

    Forston? I concur.

    Streeter? Maybe he'll get on the field.

    Thompkins? NEEDS to see the field.

    Spence? Stud all day. Nothing else to see there.

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